Claudia Pacheco: We see much more women that are inverted. So they are afraid of giving love, or they think that if we love, and if we do good and if we give good things for other people, we will become poorer, somehow, as if we have something inside and if we give we have to replace it. So, we don’t realize the lucky one is the one who gives love and feels love. If we are capable to feel love so, I’m the lucky one because happiness comes from feeling love and doing good, and not receiving love. What makes us feel this happiness or fulfillment is the capacity to feel love in ourselves. If you have a free love, free of charge, if you give it probably you will receive a lot of love back to you and this is a physical law, energetic law. The love you give, you receive back.

Richard Jones: It is interesting Claudia, to hear about love being more an experience of giving, of feeling, and not of receiving. There so much emphasis today in North America especially about loving yourself first, before you can love others. And your words seem to fly directly in the face of that selfish and rather narcissistic view. According to Keppe, one of the fundamental aspects of the human essence is pure act. This goes back to the ancient Greeks, actually, where doing, giving, would be must important in this philosophy.

Now, one of the really thorny areas of relationships centers around wanting others to change, trying to get the other to modify themselves to fit some sort of image that the other person in the relationship has. There a lot of very wrong headed thinking here, it seems to me. What is your point of view about that?

Claudia Pacheco: If your partner wants you to change, if he is not satisfied the way you are, something is wrong. Not that you don’t have your flaws, your mistakes, your bad attitudes. But when you go to live with a person, if you expect that person to change, then you don’t love that person. You really love what you idealize from that person. What you would like that person to become. And this is a wrong start since the beginning. It will not work out. When you are going to live with a person, you have to think. Do I accept this person and do I love him the way he is now? Do I accept his qualities, his virtues and his flaws, the way he is now? So I’ll be ready to live with that person. But, if I don’t, so don’t start. It will not be a good start.